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Title: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: myeh on June 25, 2011, 12:19:02 AM
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/update-on-google-health-and-google.html

Are there any plans to replace it with something comparable?

Perhaps Micorosft Hohm?
Title: Re: Google PowerMeter shutting down for good on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: TEDMarketing on June 25, 2011, 12:39:51 AM
Thank you for your comment!  Yes, we have many exciting alternatives to the Google PowerMeter, which can be found here: www.theenergydetective.com/google.

As Google announced today on their blog, Google PowerMeter will be discontinued this September 2011.  
Google will be sending an e-mail shortly to ALL Google PowerMeter users, which will direct them to this page: www.theenergydetective.com/google.

The good news is that Google will provide each customer with detailed instructions on how they can download and save their Google PowerMeter data.  Google will also redirect all of their customers to our landing page, which offers a wide variety of exciting Google PowerMeter alternatives, most of which are completely free to the customer.

If you are a distributor, please note that some of these applications (such as MyEragy Pro) allow you to view all of your TED customers on one dashboard, as well as individually. This will serve as an exciting tool to view your TED installations collectively.  Additionally, we have released a Developer API for TED AggreData (listed on the bottom of www.theenergydetective.com/google ) which will result in more developers creating applications for our distributors.
Title: Google Power Meter shutting down
Post by: dane1234 on June 25, 2011, 01:27:54 AM
I just received this e-mail from GPM:

Dear PowerMeter User,

We first launched Google PowerMeter as a Google.org project to raise awareness about the importance of giving people access to their energy information. Since our launch, there's been more attention brought to this issue, and we're excited that PowerMeter has helped demonstrate the importance of access to energy data. However, our efforts have not scaled as quickly as we would have liked, so we have decided to retire PowerMeter.

You will continue to have access to the product until September 16, 2011, after which time you will no longer be able to access your PowerMeter account. We know that having access to your energy information has helped you save energy and money. There are many options available for you from our device and utility partners. Please visit this page to learn more: http://www.google.com/support/powermeter/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1342532

We also understand that having your historical energy data is important to you. We've made it easy for you to download your data. To export your PowerMeter data to a CSV (Comma Separated Values) file, log in to your account and go to "Account Settings." More information can be found here: http://www.google.com/support/powermeter/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=164264

We appreciate your understanding and hope that you've enjoyed using Google PowerMeter. If you have questions about this announcement, please visit our FAQ pages at http://www.google.com/powermeter/about/faqs.html

Thank you,
Google PowerMeter team

© 2011 Google Inc. 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043

You've received this mandatory service announcement email to update you about important changes to your Google PowerMeter account.

Well, it's just as well; GPM had started acting weird at the end of April, even though no changes to my T.E.D. or computer, and I spent many hours trying to diagnose the problem.  I finally gave up about a week ago, and removed the GPM tool from my Google page.  My T.E.D. 5002C continues to work flawlessly.
Title: Re: Google Power Meter shutting down
Post by: tazer on June 25, 2011, 02:05:14 AM
Same, just received it a few minutes ago.

Shame, because the interface was relatively lightweight and convenient.
Title: Re: Google Power Meter shutting down
Post by: stanar on June 25, 2011, 02:08:41 AM
Same here. I wonder how many users are on the GPM. If it is a considerable number, why would Google abandon this? I read that they also axed Health services.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: stanar on June 25, 2011, 03:08:07 AM
Just tried to sign up with myeragy.com. and then myenersave.com. I am not impressed.....

Wonder how long these will be on.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: dannyted on June 25, 2011, 04:09:27 AM
I plan on offering an alternative to google power meter soon.  I am actually looking for feedback of what people might want.  The link is http://energymonitorblog.com/myted5k-charts/ .  I am still working on the charts, but I also would like feedback as to what people want.  Currently the bar graph is not setup as an amount of watts per hour, I am in process of fixing this.  The colors of course are also not permanent, I just don't know what people would like to see.

Here is an attached live data image:
(http://energymonitorblog.com/wdprs/p/me/lin.php?mtuid=1088CC&nummins=60)

Update 6-8-2012 Survey Closed. Survey for those who would like to contribute their opinion on what they would like to see in logging.  https://spreadsheets1.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dG00R1NBOHpidjlFN291MDhoVmU5cVE6MQ (https://spreadsheets1.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dG00R1NBOHpidjlFN291MDhoVmU5cVE6MQ)
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: JackRussell on June 26, 2011, 12:58:55 AM

Any replacement that requires that I have a server up and running 24x7 is a non-starter.  I guess what would be ideal is if they could modify the firmware on the gateway to make it possible to configure the name of the server where one can upload data, and provide an application framework that one can run on the server to receive the data.

On the whole, my feeling was that the Google software was more of a gimmick.  I can still connect to it locally with a browser and get all the data I could possibly want.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: TedDev on June 26, 2011, 02:19:49 AM
Quote from: JackRussell on June 26, 2011, 12:58:55 AM
I guess what would be ideal is if they could modify the firmware on the gateway to make it possible to configure the name of the server where one can upload data, and provide an application framework that one can run on the server to receive the data.

A lot of the solutions listed on our PowerMeter alternative page are hosting the server themselves. Also, any TED5000 firmware (after R400) already supports posting to any 3rd party system (see the developer's section of the forum for the technical specifications). AggreData is intended for those who want to run a server themselves, but 3rd party posting isn't limited to AggreData only. It will work w/ any 3rd party that can receive and parse XML. AggreData can also be used as a go-by framework for anyone who wants to develop their own system.

Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: JackRussell on June 26, 2011, 11:12:39 PM
Quote from: TedDev on June 26, 2011, 02:19:49 AM
A lot of the solutions listed on our PowerMeter alternative page are hosting the server themselves. Also, any TED5000 firmware (after R400) already supports posting to any 3rd party system (see the developer's section of the forum for the technical specifications).

It would seem that a firmware update is the next step for me.  Is it still the case that it resets the monthly totals when you re-flash?  I have version Gateway 383/Footprints 210 currently.  I can easily wait a week or so and update at the start of the next billing cycle..
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: SherlockOhms on June 27, 2011, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: JackRussell on June 26, 2011, 11:12:39 PM
Quote from: TedDev on June 26, 2011, 02:19:49 AM
A lot of the solutions listed on our PowerMeter alternative page are hosting the server themselves. Also, any TED5000 firmware (after R400) already supports posting to any 3rd party system (see the developer's section of the forum for the technical specifications).

It would seem that a firmware update is the next step for me.  Is it still the case that it resets the monthly totals when you re-flash?  I have version Gateway 383/Footprints 210 currently.  I can easily wait a week or so and update at the start of the next billing cycle..



Yes the totals will need to be reset so best to wait till next day after your meter read date.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: mknox on June 27, 2011, 09:16:44 PM
I have signed up for one of the alternatives, and it was fast and easy through TED's "Energy Posting" interface.

I am wondering, however, if TED would (or could) allow posting to more than one third-party host? Right now, you have to de-activate, then re-activate one at a time. These providers are new and who knows how long they may stick around (after all, Google couldn't even make a case). Plus it would be nice to evaluate a couple of services at a time and hedge your bets against one or more of the services pulling a "Google".

Is this something that could be considered in a future firmware release or are there technical limitations in the device?

Mike
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: TedDev on June 27, 2011, 09:29:37 PM
We will be removing PowerMeter Activation and support in the late-summer build which will free up space on the TED5000 for additional features. We are still determining what we will do w/ the extra space but additional 3rd party support is a possibility.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: eagleye on July 02, 2011, 07:08:09 AM
Quote from: myeh on June 25, 2011, 12:19:02 AM
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/update-on-google-health-and-google.html

Are there any plans to replace it with something comparable?

Perhaps Micorosft Hohm?


Unfortunately, Microsoft Hohm has also sent an e-mail, conveniently, just a few days after google that the Hohm project is also being discontinued. 

I really liked the google powermeter to monitor my system easily from afar.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: whmagill on July 06, 2011, 12:44:35 AM
Lots of changes I see... Been running TED5000 now for about 2 years. So when I got the Google Power Meter notice, I decided I needed to check back in to the forums... It seems that I no longer had an account :( and had to create a new one, even though I  had been on back in February 2011 and updated firmware and footprints ...

So now I'm looking at the various alternatives you posted ... starting at the top of the page with myenersave.com.

The "obvious" first thing I noticed is that it cannot possibly get the billing information correct.  It simply does not have the information necessary to do the computations. I'm guessing that they are using PECO's rate to compare as their base, but even that won't come up with the correct numbers.... sigh. 

One thing which I also noticed immediately --- the tell you to upgrade to R452 ... I'm only running R406... sigh. If it's not one thing, its another ...:)

Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: Bidgely on July 13, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: whmagill on July 06, 2011, 12:44:35 AM
Lots of changes I see... Been running TED5000 now for about 2 years. So when I got the Google Power Meter notice, I decided I needed to check back in to the forums... It seems that I no longer had an account :( and had to create a new one, even though I  had been on back in February 2011 and updated firmware and footprints ...

So now I'm looking at the various alternatives you posted ... starting at the top of the page with myenersave.com.

The "obvious" first thing I noticed is that it cannot possibly get the billing information correct.  It simply does not have the information necessary to do the computations. I'm guessing that they are using PECO's rate to compare as their base, but even that won't come up with the correct numbers.... sigh. 

One thing which I also noticed immediately --- the tell you to upgrade to R452 ... I'm only running R406... sigh. If it's not one thing, its another ...:)



Dear whmagill,
 Rep from myenersave - we will pull your rates from PECO directly to compute the most accurate numbers. In absence of correct numbers available from PECO, we will also give you an option to enter your average rate very soon.
Also, upgrading to R452 is only a suggestion. You can continue with older firmware revision or with TED Polling option (which required you to open a port on your router and forward it to TED gateway).

Thanks
myEnerSave Team
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: lsm on July 20, 2011, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: mknox on June 27, 2011, 09:16:44 PM
I have signed up for one of the alternatives, and it was fast and easy through TED's "Energy Posting" interface.

I am wondering, however, if TED would (or could) allow posting to more than one third-party host? Right now, you have to de-activate, then re-activate one at a time. These providers are new and who knows how long they may stick around (after all, Google couldn't even make a case). Plus it would be nice to evaluate a couple of services at a time and hedge your bets against one or more of the services pulling a "Google".

Is this something that could be considered in a future firmware release or are there technical limitations in the device?

Mike

I would like to second the request for being able to post data to multiple sites.  None of the sites seems to be really comprehensive at this time, and it would be good to be able to switch.  For example, I like peoplepower for my iphone, but would rather another site to hold longer term statistics and be able to download data, etc.

Lee
Title: Re: Google PowerMeter shutting down for good on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: nbhms on August 11, 2011, 06:26:30 AM
I'd like to add a +1 to the requests to be able to send data to multiple 3rd party sites.

Does anyone have any feedback on any of them yet?  I'm especially interested in ones like "MyEnerSave" which claim:  "Simple pie charts show appliance-level breakdown of energy bill - all without the use of any hardware plug level sensors."  Do any of them actually do this effectively?

I'm trying MyEragy for now, but it hasn't collected enough data yet for any "tips".

Quote from: TEDMarketing on June 25, 2011, 12:39:51 AM
Thank you for your comment!  Yes, we have many exciting alternatives to the Google PowerMeter, which can be found here: www.theenergydetective.com/google.

As Google announced today on their blog, Google PowerMeter will be discontinued this September 2011.  
Google will be sending an e-mail shortly to ALL Google PowerMeter users, which will direct them to this page: www.theenergydetective.com/google.

The good news is that Google will provide each customer with detailed instructions on how they can download and save their Google PowerMeter data.  Google will also redirect all of their customers to our landing page, which offers a wide variety of exciting Google PowerMeter alternatives, most of which are completely free to the customer.

If you are a distributor, please note that some of these applications (such as MyEragy Pro) allow you to view all of your TED customers on one dashboard, as well as individually. This will serve as an exciting tool to view your TED installations collectively.  Additionally, we have released a Developer API for TED AggreData (listed on the bottom of www.theenergydetective.com/google ) which will result in more developers creating applications for our distributors.

Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: tlveik on August 12, 2011, 04:12:42 AM
I signed up with PlotWatt, which looks good to me.  But ever since I dropped Google Power Meter and signed up with PlotWatt, I've been having repeated problems connecting locally with my gateway.  Don't know if there is any connection with that switch to PlotWatt or not.

I keep loosing the ability to resolve the TED5000 name, so I switch to the DHCP IP address and it works again.  If I power cycle the gateway, then the TED5000 name works again for a while then quits again and I have to use the IP address again.

Could there be any connection to switching to PlotWatt?  Don't know.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: nbhms on August 12, 2011, 06:19:25 AM
I believe you need to upgrade your firmware.  I got an email from MyEragy that there was a known issue with version 406 of the Ted5000 firmware causing it to lock up when sending data to a 3rd party.  I'm waiting till my month end in a day or two to update because I believe it wipes the current month data.

Quote from: tlveik on August 12, 2011, 04:12:42 AM
I signed up with PlotWatt, which looks good to me.  But ever since I dropped Google Power Meter and signed up with PlotWatt, I've been having repeated problems connecting locally with my gateway.  Don't know if there is any connection with that switch to PlotWatt or not.

I keep loosing the ability to resolve the TED5000 name, so I switch to the DHCP IP address and it works again.  If I power cycle the gateway, then the TED5000 name works again for a while then quits again and I have to use the IP address again.

Could there be any connection to switching to PlotWatt?  Don't know.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: tlveik on August 13, 2011, 11:39:48 PM
Looks like I'm going to have to wait.  I have a 20 series gateway and have to stick with version 406 until the next 20 series version is released.

So in the meantime, I dropped PlotWatt and my communication troubles with the gateway have stopped.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: gman19 on September 12, 2011, 04:53:20 PM
I'm going to give PeoplePower a try on my Adroid....will post update after I can form an opinion ???
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: pfile on September 17, 2011, 07:44:19 PM
strange... it was supposed to be retired yesterday and google still has that language on the "about" pages... but powermeter is still very much alive.

i signed up for plotwatt but so far it looks like they are not properly receiving my data. there are all kinds of jumps in the power consumption data, lots of times where it's reporting 0kw, etc. i do have to upgrade my firmware but i'm waiting for the end of my billing cycle.

Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: pfile on September 19, 2011, 10:21:32 PM
great... powermeter is still up and running and the addition of plotwatt uploads to my TED5000 caused it to hang sometime yesterday and stop reporting data to either google or plottwatt. i hope the firmware update addresses this.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: eagleye on September 21, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
 >:(  I still see my data in google power meter.  While it says it's discontinued, I though they were going to wipe the data.  Now, my power meter activation link it still there.  The only problem is that now my gateway no longer has the google activation tab under the settings after a firmware update.  I've already moved my data to a new service but I am now wondering if the google will still work.  The whole reason I like google is I had my power meter on my homepage and it made it VERY convenient to view my system from anywhere in the world on my homepage.  So, can I put the powermeter activation back into my TED and will it still work with google?  What are other people experiencing? 
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: eagleye on September 21, 2011, 06:56:06 PM
Well, I guess I spoke too soon.  The data is now gone.  :(
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: dprljackson on September 24, 2011, 03:39:04 AM
Hi all,

I tried a few of the alternatives to powermeter a month or two ago but none of them were able to handle solar panels.  Does anyone know if any of these third party programs will handle multiple MTUs?  Should be pretty trivial I would think.

Cheers
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: pfile on September 26, 2011, 04:04:29 AM
Quote from: pfile on September 19, 2011, 10:21:32 PM
great... powermeter is still up and running and the addition of plotwatt uploads to my TED5000 caused it to hang sometime yesterday and stop reporting data to either google or plottwatt. i hope the firmware update addresses this.


yeah great, even after the software update plotwatt seems to lose contact with the ted5000. this time footprints is up and running fine but plotwatt says they have not received data in 7 hours. powermeter always worked fine. not sure if this problem is on my end or plotwatt's end.

this sucks
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: pfile on September 29, 2011, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: pfile on September 26, 2011, 04:04:29 AM
Quote from: pfile on September 19, 2011, 10:21:32 PM
great... powermeter is still up and running and the addition of plotwatt uploads to my TED5000 caused it to hang sometime yesterday and stop reporting data to either google or plottwatt. i hope the firmware update addresses this.


yeah great, even after the software update plotwatt seems to lose contact with the ted5000. this time footprints is up and running fine but plotwatt says they have not received data in 7 hours. powermeter always worked fine. not sure if this problem is on my end or plotwatt's end.

this sucks


okay, things seem to have improved. i think the problem must have been on plotwatt's end.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: DavidCB74 on October 05, 2011, 03:00:08 AM
So, I'd like to double check I few points in terms of MyEnerSave hosting...

Registered with Enersave and selected the "TED5000POLLING" option(for more detailed and 'granular' data uploads).  Now, its my understanding that this will work fine as long as my external IP stays the same, but its safe to assume TimeWarnerCable will reset that IP at least once a month or even twice a month.  In light of that, i signed up with DynDNS.org (for free) to keep the data moving in the right direction regardless ISP IP changes... 

Does it sound like this will work???

AND, this should leave the 3rd party posting in the TED open for the peoplepower i'm already using?, Right??

Thank you guys for any wisdom you may have on my logic here.

David
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: jack10562 on October 31, 2011, 11:07:44 PM
Quote from: dprljackson on September 24, 2011, 03:39:04 AM
Hi all,

I tried a few of the alternatives to powermeter a month or two ago but none of them were able to handle solar panels.  Does anyone know if any of these third party programs will handle multiple MTUs?  Should be pretty trivial I would think.

Cheers

MyEragy.com allows setup of multiple MTU's and configuration for solar. I've been using it for a while now, and like it.

You set up MTU-1 as Grid and the second MTU as Generating circuit.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: Chad on August 14, 2012, 04:43:00 AM
Quote from: mknox on June 27, 2011, 09:16:44 PM
I have signed up for one of the alternatives, and it was fast and easy through TED's "Energy Posting" interface.

I am wondering, however, if TED would (or could) allow posting to more than one third-party host? Right now, you have to de-activate, then re-activate one at a time. These providers are new and who knows how long they may stick around (after all, Google couldn't even make a case). Plus it would be nice to evaluate a couple of services at a time and hedge your bets against one or more of the services pulling a "Google".

Is this something that could be considered in a future firmware release or are there technical limitations in the device?

Mike

I have developed an energy posting "broadcaster" of sorts for my own use. My TED 5000 posts to my server, which then re-broadcasts to multiple energy monitors (MyEragy, Bidgely, PeoplePower, PlottWatt).  This way I can continuously monitor the progress of each service and use the one that best suits my needs at any given time.

It is developed in Java, and I would be happy to share it with whomever is interested in running a similar service for themselves.  I do realize that many TED users don't have or want a machine of their own on 24x7 to accomplish this, so I will be offering it to TED to see if they might be insterested in hosting it.  Feel free to try it out on my hosted server if you're interested.  It can be accessed at http://ace.broadmind.com/ted.
Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: PV-Skip on September 06, 2012, 08:31:52 PM
tried to sign it several times, but the system does not recognize the "words".
You have two words assigned, is there a space in between?
Title: Re: Google PowerMeter shutting down for good on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: Swede2 on October 05, 2013, 08:21:22 PM
Quote from: TEDMarketing on June 25, 2011, 12:39:51 AM
 Additionally, we have released a Developer API for TED AggreData (listed on the bottom of www.theenergydetective.com/google ) which will result in more developers creating applications for our distributors.

Hi,

The link doesn't work anymore. Where can I download the API? I would like to write my own software.

Thanks,

Swede
http://www.SwedesDock.com/LDN

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Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: Support7 on October 07, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
Hello Swede2,

Please see: http://www.theenergydetectiveforums.com/index.php/board,3.0.html

The API links are in that directory of the Forum. Thank you for your interest!

Best Regards,

TED Forum Support
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Title: Re: Google Shutting Down PowerMeter on Sept 16, 2011
Post by: fanneyjack on April 08, 2014, 01:10:53 PM
Google is an interesting company in this respect: they are certainly willing to try experimental ventures with the Google name brand attached. Some make it and some don't and Google doesn't seem to mind.